part of a long interview that can be seen here
Aaron: What is the greatest obstacle blocking humanity from living from their hearts?
Lee: Human beings learn largely through example. For a long time, people have looked outside themselves for those examples. Increasingly, however, many are beginning to look within. They are becoming more aware of their thoughts, feelings, bodies and inner experience.
One of the major challenges facing humanity is that many of the examples provided by leadership have been largely disconnected from the qualities of the heart. Around the world, more people are becoming aware that much of modern leadership is driven by strategy, power and control rather than empathy, compassion and genuine concern for human wellbeing.
This is not simply about individual leaders. It is also about systems. Many people sense that important decisions are often influenced by forces that operate behind the scenes and are largely invisible to the public.
As a result, many people are no longer finding their best examples at the highest levels of society. Instead, they are finding them in their local communities, among neighbours, volunteers, teachers, healers and ordinary individuals who demonstrate kindness, integrity and compassion in everyday life.
At the same time, many people are healing personal wounds and breaking old patterns of behaviour. As they do so, they become examples for others. Change does not always begin at the top. Often it begins with individuals choosing to embody the qualities they would like to see in the world.
For those who feel discouraged by what they see around them, it is important to allow themselves to experience their emotions honestly. Anger, sadness, grief and frustration are natural responses. However, no individual is expected to transform society alone.
The task is much simpler. Each person can become an example of what they believe is possible. As more people live from the heart within their families, workplaces and communities, others begin to recognise alternative ways of being.
According to Lee, this is one of the most important contributions any individual can make at this time.
What is the greatest lie modern humans believe that causes the most suffering?
Aaron: What is the greatest lie modern humans believe that causes the most suffering?
Lee: The greatest limitation, according to Lee, is the belief that humanity is far more restricted and isolated than it really is.
He suggests that many of the systems people live within — educational, financial and social — encourage limited ways of thinking. These systems shape expectations about what is possible and often discourage individuals from recognising their deeper potential.
Lee argues that humanity has been conditioned to accept a narrow understanding of itself and of the world. Most people are occupied with the practical demands of daily life and survival, leaving little opportunity to question the assumptions built into the culture around them.
As a result, many people underestimate both their own capabilities and the broader possibilities available to human consciousness.
He compares the situation to poor parenting on a societal scale. Humanity has inherited systems that teach dependency, limitation and conformity rather than self-discovery, self-leadership and empowerment.
While individuals always possess the potential to awaken to a broader understanding of themselves, the influence of long-established systems can make that process difficult.
For Lee, one of the great challenges of our time is learning to look beyond inherited assumptions and discovering a deeper understanding of who we are and what may be possible.
Why do we forget our spiritual nature?
Aaron: What is the function of forgetting our essence as spirit and then going through the process of remembering?
Lee: Lee describes Earth as a unique environment for the development of consciousness. From this perspective, human beings temporarily forget their larger spiritual identity in order to fully participate in the experiences of physical life.
He suggests that humanity is currently undergoing a transition toward a broader level of awareness, sometimes described as a shift in consciousness. Increasing numbers of people are beginning to recognise that physical reality is only one aspect of existence and that life may be connected to larger dimensions of experience.
According to Lee, forgetting is not a mistake but part of the process. The challenges, struggles and uncertainties of human life create opportunities for growth, learning and transformation.
He acknowledges that suffering is a very real part of the human experience. However, he suggests that many people who feel called toward service, healing or personal growth have chosen to participate in this period of change because they wish to contribute to a more conscious future.
Earth, he says, has long been a place of both conflict and possibility. The current period is characterised by increasing awareness and by a growing number of people questioning old assumptions and searching for deeper meaning.
The purpose is not for any one individual to transform the entire world. Rather, it is for each person to contribute in their own way to a broader movement toward greater awareness, compassion and understanding.
For Lee, remembering who we are is not a sudden event but an ongoing process of awakening that unfolds throughout a lifetime.
Who or What Runs the World?
Aaron: By the end of your lifetime, who or what are the powers that run the world?
Lee: Lee approaches this question cautiously. Rather than naming specific individuals or groups, he suggests that many of the power structures influencing human life operate largely out of public view.
He believes that growing numbers of people are becoming aware that the official explanations given for political, economic and social events do not always tell the whole story. Since 2020 in particular, many people have become more questioning and more willing to challenge accepted narratives.
However, Lee emphasises that becoming obsessed with identifying villains is rarely productive. In his view, the more important task is recognising corruption, manipulation and fear wherever they appear and choosing not to support them.
He argues that humanity is entering a period in which hidden structures of power are becoming increasingly visible. As public awareness grows, systems based on secrecy and control become more difficult to maintain.
For this reason, he believes the most effective response is not fear but awareness, discernment and personal empowerment.
According to Lee, lasting change comes when people stop giving away their authority and begin taking responsibility for their own choices, beliefs and actions.
Is Violence Ever the Solution to Conflict?
Aaron: I was speaking with someone from Israel yesterday about the conflict between Israel and Palestine. Is violence ever the solution to peace?
Lee: Lee’s response is clear: violence is not a pathway to peace.
He acknowledges that many people have been taught that war is necessary to protect nations, families and communities. While he understands why people may accept that argument, he believes that violence inevitably creates further suffering and division.
One of the central problems, he suggests, is that ordinary people are rarely the ones calling for war. Decisions about conflict are generally made by political and military leaders, while the consequences are experienced by ordinary citizens.
Lee argues that wars are often presented to the public in simplified terms that fail to reveal the deeper motivations behind them. As a result, people are encouraged to take sides rather than seek understanding.
At the same time, he recognises that humanity is not yet ready for a completely peaceful world. Old patterns of conflict remain deeply embedded in human society.
Nevertheless, he believes there is a growing reluctance among many people to accept war as an inevitable solution. Increasing numbers are questioning the assumptions that have traditionally justified violence.
For Lee, meaningful change will come not only from opposing war but also from actively creating better alternatives. Those who challenge harmful systems and those who build new ways of living are equally important.
Both play a role in helping humanity move toward a more peaceful future.
How Powerful Are Ordinary People?
Aaron: It often feels as though ordinary people have very little influence. How powerful are we really?
Lee: According to Lee, human beings consistently underestimate their own power.
Many people have been conditioned to believe that meaningful change can only come from governments, institutions or powerful leaders. As a result, they often overlook the influence they already possess.
Lee argues that consciousness itself is a powerful force. Individual choices, values and behaviours spread through families, friendships, workplaces and communities in ways that are often invisible but significant.
History, he notes, is filled with examples of social change that began with relatively small groups of people who refused to accept existing conditions.
One reason many people feel powerless is that they focus exclusively on large-scale events over which they have little direct control. In contrast, they underestimate the importance of their own daily actions and relationships.
According to Lee, every act of kindness, courage, honesty and integrity creates ripple effects that extend far beyond what can immediately be seen.
While no single individual can transform the entire world, millions of individuals making conscious choices can influence the direction of society in profound ways.
For this reason, he believes that personal responsibility and self-awareness are among the most important forms of leadership available to ordinary people.
Which Religion Brings Us Closest to Our True Nature?
Aaron: What religion or ideology brings us closest to our true nature?
Lee: Rather than endorsing any particular religion, Lee emphasises humility, curiosity and openness.
He suggests that one of the wisest positions a person can adopt is recognising that there is always more to learn and understand about life, consciousness and the universe.
According to Lee, genuine spirituality begins when individuals develop a direct relationship with their own inner experience rather than relying entirely on external authority.
At the same time, he is careful not to dismiss religion. He acknowledges that many people find comfort, guidance and meaning through religious traditions and that faith can be a powerful force for good.
His concern arises when religion becomes associated with exclusion, fear, superiority or condemnation. Whenever spiritual teachings are used to justify hatred, discrimination or control, he believes they have drifted away from their original purpose.
For Lee, the deepest spiritual teachings point toward compassion, love, understanding and connection.
He argues that the divine is not confined to any single institution, doctrine or belief system. Rather, it can be experienced directly through the heart, through relationships and through a growing awareness of one’s connection with life itself.
In this view, spirituality is less about belonging to the correct group and more about developing qualities such as kindness, empathy, wisdom and self-awareness.
Ultimately, Lee believes that every individual must discover their own path while remaining respectful of the different paths chosen by others.
What About Jesus and Christ Consciousness?
Aaron: Many people speak about Jesus, Christ consciousness and spiritual awakening. How do you see Jesus?
Lee: Lee describes Jesus as a being whose influence extends far beyond the historical figure most people know through religious tradition.
He suggests that much of the public understanding of Jesus has been shaped by centuries of storytelling, interpretation and institutional religion. As a result, different groups project very different meanings onto the same figure.
Some view Jesus primarily as a religious authority. Others see him as a symbol of compassion, forgiveness and spiritual transformation. Still others reject religion altogether and therefore distance themselves from the name.
According to Lee, the essence of what is often called Christ Consciousness is far simpler than many theological systems suggest. At its core lies love, compassion, healing and heart-centred awareness.
He argues that many of the divisions associated with religion are human creations rather than spiritual truths. While institutions often become concerned with rules, authority and control, the deeper spiritual message points toward connection, understanding and service.
For Lee, the enduring significance of Jesus lies not in dogma but in the example of unconditional love and the possibility of spiritual awakening.
What About Other Religions and Spiritual Traditions?
Aaron: What about Krishna, Buddha, Allah and the many other religious figures and traditions? Are some closer to the truth than others?
Lee: Lee approaches this question by focusing less on individual religions and more on how their teachings are used.
He suggests that many spiritual traditions originated from genuine attempts to understand life, consciousness and humanity’s relationship with the divine. Problems arise when teachings become distorted by power, politics or the desire to control others.
According to Lee, no authentic spiritual path should encourage hatred, oppression or the belief that one group of people is inherently superior to another.
Whenever religion is used to justify violence, discrimination or division, he believes something essential has been lost.
At their best, spiritual traditions provide people with meaning, purpose, ethical guidance and a sense of connection to something larger than themselves.
The challenge, he suggests, is to distinguish between the original impulse toward wisdom and the human tendency to turn belief systems into structures of power.
For Lee, genuine spirituality encourages openness, compassion and personal growth rather than rigid certainty.
What Are Your Thoughts on Abortion?
Aaron: What are your thoughts about abortion?
Lee: Lee recognises abortion as one of the most emotionally charged issues in modern society.
Rather than offering a simple answer, he emphasises the complexity of the situations involved. He points out that discussions about abortion often overlook the realities faced by women who have experienced violence, abuse, coercion or circumstances beyond their control.
He argues that moral judgements are often made without sufficient understanding of individual situations.
At the same time, he acknowledges that decisions surrounding pregnancy and abortion can have deep emotional consequences and are rarely approached lightly.
For Lee, any serious discussion of abortion must also address broader issues such as education, sexual responsibility, violence against women and social support systems.
He believes that societies have a responsibility to create conditions that reduce suffering and expand choice rather than simply imposing rules.
Ultimately, he approaches the subject from the perspective of compassion rather than condemnation.
How Old Is Humanity?
Aaron: How old is humanity?
Lee: Lee presents a view of human origins that differs significantly from conventional historical accounts.
He suggests that human development has been influenced by interactions between earthly and non-earthly sources of intelligence and consciousness. In this perspective, humanity is part of a much larger evolutionary story than is generally recognised.
According to Lee, human beings possess capacities and potentials that remain largely unexplored. He views humanity as an evolving species whose future development is still unfolding.
While many aspects of this history remain controversial and open to debate, Lee believes that humanity’s story is more complex than most people currently realise.
His broader message is that human beings should remain open to new discoveries about their origins, their capabilities and their place within the wider universe.
Are Human Beings More Than They Appear?
Aaron: Are humans far more capable than we currently understand?
Lee: Lee’s answer is an emphatic yes.
He believes that most people are only beginning to explore the deeper capacities of consciousness. Throughout history there have been individuals who demonstrated extraordinary abilities, unusual perception and heightened awareness.
According to Lee, human potential extends well beyond the limits commonly assumed by modern culture.
However, he cautions against becoming obsessed with extraordinary powers. The purpose of personal development is not to impress others but to become more conscious, compassionate and fully present.
He argues that many people spend their lives searching for dramatic spiritual experiences while overlooking the importance of everyday transformation.
The ability to become kinder, wiser, more balanced and more aware may ultimately be more valuable than any unusual psychic or mystical ability.
For Lee, the true evolution of humanity lies not merely in what people can do but in who they become.
What Role Will the Earth Play in Humanity’s Future?
Aaron: What role will the Earth itself play as humanity continues to evolve?
Lee: According to Lee, the Earth is not simply a backdrop against which human events unfold. He describes the planet as an active participant in humanity’s development.
He suggests that many people underestimate both the intelligence and the influence of the natural world. Throughout history, human beings have tended to see themselves as separate from nature rather than part of it.
In Lee’s view, this separation is beginning to change.
As humanity becomes more aware of environmental challenges and ecological interdependence, people are also rediscovering a deeper relationship with the planet itself. This shift is not only physical but psychological and spiritual.
He believes that future discoveries about the Earth, its history and its hidden aspects will challenge many long-held assumptions. As new information emerges, people may find themselves re-evaluating both their past and their future.
For Lee, the Earth is not simply something humanity inhabits. It is a partner in humanity’s ongoing evolution.
Why Is There So Much Turmoil in the World Right Now?
Aaron: Many people feel anxious about the state of the world. Why does there seem to be so much upheaval?
Lee: Lee acknowledges that many people feel unsettled by current events. Political tensions, economic uncertainty, social division and rapid change have created a sense of instability for many.
However, he views this period differently.
Rather than seeing the upheaval as evidence of decline, he sees it as part of a larger process of exposure and transformation. Systems, assumptions and structures that have operated for many years are increasingly being questioned.
As this happens, contradictions become more visible.
Information that was once accepted without question is now being examined more critically. Institutions that previously commanded trust are facing greater scrutiny. Individuals are asking new questions and seeking alternative perspectives.
According to Lee, this process can be uncomfortable because it disrupts familiar ways of understanding the world. Yet he believes it is also a necessary stage in growth and development.
Periods of change are rarely neat or predictable. They often involve uncertainty before a new direction becomes clear.
What Is Coming in the Next Two Years?
Aaron: What’s the most surprising thing coming for humanity in the next two years?
Lee: Lee’s answer is unexpected.
Rather than focusing first on politics, technology or global events, he speaks about love.
He suggests that many people will experience deeper levels of compassion, connection and concern for one another. While headlines often focus on conflict and division, he believes there is also a quieter movement taking place beneath the surface.
More people are becoming interested in cooperation rather than competition. More are questioning systems that seem disconnected from human wellbeing. More are looking for ways to build community and support one another.
According to Lee, this growing awareness may not always receive media attention, but it is nonetheless significant.
At the same time, he believes further revelations and disclosures will continue to challenge accepted narratives. Information that has been hidden, misunderstood or ignored may increasingly come into public view.
While such developments may initially create uncertainty, Lee sees them as ultimately liberating rather than frightening.
In his view, truth has a way of surfacing, even when it has been suppressed for long periods.
What Gives You Hope for Humanity?
Aaron: What gives you hope for humanity’s future?
Lee: Lee’s optimism comes from what he sees happening beneath the surface of everyday life.
Although public attention is often directed toward conflict, crisis and division, he believes there are millions of people quietly working to create positive change in their families, communities and professions.
Some do so through teaching. Others through healing, creativity, volunteering, leadership or simple acts of kindness.
These efforts may appear small in isolation, but collectively they form a powerful force.
Lee believes that many people are beginning to recognise their own responsibility for shaping the future rather than waiting for solutions to come from elsewhere.
For him, this growing sense of personal responsibility is one of the most encouraging developments of our time.
He argues that genuine change rarely begins with institutions. More often it begins with individuals who decide to live differently and who, through their example, inspire others to do the same.
Concluding Thoughts
Throughout this conversation, Lee returns repeatedly to a number of themes: personal responsibility, self-awareness, compassion, community and the power of example.
Whether discussing politics, religion, war, consciousness or human potential, his central message remains remarkably consistent. Lasting change begins within individuals and gradually extends outward into families, communities and society as a whole.
He encourages people not to become overwhelmed by the scale of the world’s problems nor to surrender their power to fear, cynicism or despair.
Instead, he advocates cultivating greater awareness, deeper compassion and a stronger connection to both self and others.
Whatever one’s beliefs about spirituality, consciousness or the future of humanity, the conversation ultimately points toward a simple but challenging idea:
The future is shaped not only by leaders, institutions and events, but also by the choices ordinary people make every day.
And in that sense, each person has a role to play.
